Ashim Matthan: Hi everyone. Welcome to the RhinoMight Podcast. My name is Ashim. This is Dr. Kanishka. A few videos ago, we spoke about Proviron being a very poor Aromatase Inhibitor, and this video is going to be about how to use Proviron correctly. Proviron is classified as a DHT derivative. It is one of two legally available DHT derivatives. The other one being Stanozolol, which is Winstrol. Both of these are in pill format and oral, so you can consume them orally. And they are both fantastic compounds. This discussion in this video is going to be about Proviron and which is also called Mesterolone, and how do you use Proviron correctly?

Dr. Kanishka Jain: So when do you use Proviron? Proviron is an amazing sidekick to any Testosterone or any Anabolic cycle which is being run.

Ashim Matthan: What it does is that it goes into your… so we have.. all of us have an SHBG, which is Sex Hormone Binding Globulin, and SHBG holds on to Testosterone. It is also a reserve of Testosterone. Now the thing is that if it is within healthy parameters, that’s fine and that’s okay. The problem is that when you are on TRT after a period of time for some people your SHBG value just keeps increasing and increasing and increasing, and your SHBG is holding on to more and more Testosterone and not allowing it to be free. So what this means is that it’s not… you are not getting the full benefits of TRT, of your Testosterone cycle. So you want to take Proviron at that time because it’s going to crash your SHBG. It’s going to force your SHBG to realize Testosterone in the form of free Testosterone, and that free Testosterone is going to have benefits, one which is cosmetic, two all the health benefits of what Testosterone brings as being a great healer; and three, it’s going to increase your sex life.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: In addition, how do you notice that your SHBG is high? One is by Blood Test that is the most accurate form of doing it. And the second that you can do is that let’s say that 200 mg of Testosterone was giving you very good results and suddenly that dose stops working for you. You know that the 200 mg in the past had given you very good results and the dose has stopped working. It means that SHBG has SHBG has increased.

Ashim Matthan: Yeah, most likely.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Most likely. That is the scenario. So running Proviron at that time would help.

Ashim Matthan: Exactly and you can do either a Blood Test of SHBG or you can do a Blood Test of free Testosterone. They are they are two sides of the same coin, and they both cost almost the same. So just doing one of the two is enough to give you a good understanding of what the scenerio is like.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Yes. So what are the side-effects of Proviron?

Ashim Matthan: When you have a lot of Proviron and you… of course, this is dose dependent and it’s also dependent on individual to individual. These are all guidelines. At the end of the day, every single patient, every single person that is on TRT is an independent case. So with all those caveats in that, those disclaimers set aside, what we would say is that you are going to have the same basic problems that have… that would happen with any DHT, which is hair fall and acne. So you want to always be careful about this. If your dose hits the threshold limit relative to you, you are going to start experiencing acne and hair fall. The next thing which is the thing that is scary and which I want you to talk about especially because you are a doctor, so issue you should definitely talk about this is prostate issues. When you have a lot of Proviron, you are going to have prostate swelling. And a lot of people gets scared with prostate swelling and prostate cancer, and I want just to clear this up. Like how it should be.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: So prostate swelling is not the same as prostate cancer. Prostate swelling can lead to prostate cancer when not addressed. So if prostate swelling is there, you will notice that your urine stream becomes very, very small. You will have to put more force to evacuate your bladder, and you will have to keep on going to the urine to pass urine very frequently. So these are the two signs that you have to be aware of when running Proviron or any DHT for the matter of fact.

Ashim Matthan: So these are the clinical signs. This is how you know yourself. You have to always self-monitor. Whenever you are taking any of these chemicals, you got to be like hyper aware of yourself. You cannot be laid back and complacent. Even if you are taking something as small as Testosterone even with bioidentical every always pitch about it. That doesn’t mean that you take it like lying down. You are just unaware of things. You should be aware, and this is one of the things that you should know especially if you’ve got to add chemicals to Testosterone. So Proviron is an added chemical. You should know the side effects and you should know what to look out for. You are not going to go running for a Blood Test every single time. It costs a lot of money.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: In addition, if you get balding or you get acne or you get any of these symptoms with just Testosterone alone, then Proviron is not a option for you.

Ashim Matthan: It’s not a good option, and also if ever you get a prostate enlargement and you get prostate swelling or you get your acne or you get hair fall, if any of these side effects are happening, just stop. Stop your dose, gradually lower it, like skip a couple of doses and then slowly, slowly taper it off. And in doing that if you because you are hyper aware and you doing it at the right and you are making the change quickly, all of this will reverse itself. You don’t have to do anything on top of this to reverse this. In short.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Yeah. As long as you are aware of it and you allow it to be… allow these problems to persist for a long period of time, you will not get the side effects which are going to be permanent.

Ashim Matthan: Exactly. And this, so there are two things that I want to discuss. One is the alternatives to Proviron. If you… or rather why do we use Proviron when there are other alternatives? Like another great alternative is Masteron and Masteron is fantastic because it has lot more cosmetic effects. It’s going to give you that lean hardness that you want in your muscles. And it’s also, I mean, if you have Masteron then very few people will go.. pull-off a Proviron. The thing is that Masteron is not readily available. I don’t think any pharmacy keeps it. I don’t think any doctors also provide a prescription for it. With that… but Masteron is a fantastic chemical as well. The only drawback is that it is an injectable. And for anybody who is on TRT who is doing frequent dosing, micro-dosing of TRT, they don’t want to become a pin cushion where they take multiple shots, they take bigger and bigger injections. You want to keep things simple. So Masteron is not an alternative. That’s why people don’t go for that. Yeah.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: But Masteron is a stronger Anabolic than Proviron.

Ashim Matthan: Exactly. So if you could… so if you have to choose like between running Proviron, let’s say that we take Test or the equations. There is not Test. There is no base, nothing. If you are going to take either of these two chemicals just by itself which one is going to be better for you.. like for anyone?

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Proviron is a weak Anabolic. It is not going to cause any cosmetic changes on its own, while Masteron on its own will cause cosmetic changes where it can literally dry you out and give you that lean, hard look.

Ashim Matthan: Exactly. And as far as triggering that sex drive, Masteron is much better.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Yeah. Masteron goes and works on the lizard brain as such and causes increased sex drive.

Ashim Matthan: Exactly. So one of the thing that.. and we will save this for another video but one of the things that happens when you take, and this is little bit off-topic, one of the things that happens is when you take like all the Nandrolone compounds that have neuro… Degenerative issues.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Yeah.

Ashim Matthan: They have Neurodegenerative issues and they also affect your hormone, they are mood enhancers and also they do affect your mood. So whenever you take any of those, it’s always a risk of chemical castration and whenever that happens you see lot of people who takes cycles of Test-Tren-Mast. So Mast is added in to make sure that whatever chemical castration that might take place…

Dr. Kanishka Jain: You get Tren Dick. Yeah.

Ashim Matthan: Exactly. So whatever chemical imbalance of chemical castration that might happen with Tren, Masteron is going to reverse it. So Masteron is super powerful.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: In that sense.

Ashim Matthan: In that sense. And this leads us to the final topic that I wanted to… I wanted us to talk in this video, and that is dosages of Proviron. Now keep in mind, before Kanishka gets into this, just keep in mind that everybody is independent. We said that again. So all those caveats apply especially to dosages. Only thing I would want to say is that you don’t want to exceed 100 mg a day ever because 100 mg seems to be the general threshold at which point all of these side effects come in, in a very aggressive manner and nobody should have to deal with that. So it’s not safe. You are not playing it safe anymore. Over 100 mg means you are floating with danger.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: And in addition to that we wouldn’t want to run Proviron for more than five to six months at a time.

Ashim Matthan: Yeah.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: We don’t do that. It is based on how your body responds to it. So Proviron comes as 25 mg tablets. You would want to start at the most conservative dose, which we feel is half a tablet morning and half a tablet at night. That equals to 25 mg a day or one tablet in a day. And you can slowly, slowly scale it up to one tablet in the morning, half a tablet at night or one morning, one tablet in the morning, one tablet at night, and then slowly, slowly gradually taper it up to 100 mg where you are taking two tablets in the morning, two tablets at night. But we would not exceed anything above that.

Ashim Matthan: How do I know when I should increase the dose? Like how do I know that this 12.5, 12.5 isn’t enough?

Dr. Kanishka Jain: So you know that on the same Testosterone dosing that what effects you are getting. You start feeling the same effects, plus your sex rate picks up. So one of the things that Proviron does do is it improves Libido. A lot of people on TRT when they have high SHBG suffered from low Libido because of the free Testosterone being low.

Ashim Matthan: Right. So it’s going to be qualitative. I have to be self-aware. I mean, like people have to be self-aware when they take this chemical and then they have to be able to gauge when they have, our patients have us, but in general, whenever someone is taking Proviron and you want to self-administer it, then you got to be that much more hyper aware of how to… of all these other things going on and gauge accordingly, right? –

Yes.

Ashim Matthan: Okay. I want to bring out one other thing and that is that we always want to start really, really small with whatever it is that you are doing. Whichever chemical that you are going to add, this is like a… this is not in just related to Proviron in general, we want to start it like a small dose, and you want to keep working upwards. So say even if it’s, for example, and this is way off-topic, but I just feel it’s important that we should mention this. If it’s Winstrol, you want to start Winstrol also at like say 25 mg, three times a week, injectable Winstrol, for example. You want to take 25 mg three times a week, which is sometimes laughable. Lot of people would find this extremely conservative and they’d be like this is not going to do anything for me. And maybe that’s true. Maybe that’s true. For some people, it’s not going to do anything. But you want to start at 25 three times a week and make it like say 50 three times a week, then 75 three times a week, and go up to a point where you know that your body is showing all the side effects that are there. So you should know the side effects of whatever chemical that you are taking. And the second, You start feeling it. That means that your are now flirting with danger. This is your threshold limit for your body and maybe start to cut back down or not, stay at this dose, beyond a certain point.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Yeah. Because you are allowing your body to understand the chemical, and after understanding the dose that works for you, when you repeat this cycle, you don’t need to go the conservative route again. You can start at that dose.

Ashim Matthan: Yeah. So now we have kind of like getting into next steroid cycle theory. But since we are talking about DHTs and Winstrol, see I take, Am I accurate in making this statement that if I take Winstrol, and I slowly, slowly taper it upwards and I get to say whatever amount is good for me, and now I know that side effects are going to start taking place, if say at this dose I say I’m going to start cutting it back because, you know side effects are there, at that stage I finished my cycle. Let’s say it’s a six weeks cycle. I finished it. It’s put back and I am still on TRT because we love Blasting and Cruising. We don’t like all these cycles. So I’m still on Testosterone. Will that Testosterone heal all of my receptors because, you know, like DHT is down regulate. Yeah. If 100 mg work now, I will need more later on down the line. But if I’m off it for enough time and if I am taking Testosterone, will Testosterone heal this?

Dr. Kanishka Jain: So by healing what you mean is that do they refresh the DHT receptors? So Testosterone what it does is it changes the gene expression to make more androgen receptors. So when there are more androgen receptors, which respond to DHTs like Winstrol, let’s say that you scale back on the Winstrol. There is something which is not going to act on those receptors. It will act with the Testosterone. So it will be more susceptible to Winstrol the next time that you take it. So it will be ready for the same dosage again. Maybe you may not need to take the same higher dose, for the same effects.

Ashim Matthan: Okay. And similarly since I want to circle back to Proviron. We talked about how we don’t allow any of our patients ever exceed five to six months, should they medically require Proviron, and we administer it, we recommend it and prescribe it. And then they take it for whatever five to six months, and then we stop. Normally, why is it that we stop? So this is why we stop for just a few months, and then we observe, and they are also supposed to observe with, you know, clinical means that we just discussed of whether their SHBG is again rising, whether they are going through that problem again with SHBG holding on to Test. And if that is happening, you repeat the process again. So you could very well be like say, for example, 5 months ON, 2-3 months OFF, 5 months ON, 2-3 months OFF. You could keep going up and down on this.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Yeah. You could do that. You could do it like in a wave pattern where you are on Proviron for a certain amount of time. Then you take it off. Also what you can do is you can modulate it with diet. So if you are on diet, which are going to cause high SHBG like a Keto diet, you can do it with Proviron along with it and get maximum results from your diet.

Ashim Matthan: Right. Because Keto will cause your SHBG to rise and Proviron is counter acting on that, breaking it down. So getting the benefits of Keto plus you are getting the benefits of Proviron freeing up Testosterone and therefore you are getting the best bang for your buck.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Yes.

Ashim Matthan: And you also have a Test running at the same time.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Exactly.

Ashim Matthan: So it is the best combination that you could run should you encounter high SHBG while you are running Testosterone on TRT dosages. -Right? –

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Correct.

Ashim Matthan: So I think we summarized this well. If you guys have any questions, please feel free to ask us. Thank you very much for watching this video.

Dr. Kanishka Jain: Bye.

Ashim Matthan: Bye bye.